Friday, July 27, 2007

Friday Link - Hateful Conservatives

What I'd like to do right now is take a close look at Congressman Walberg's latest claim, that those dastardly Democrats have added "a 600% tax increase on U.S. subsidiary manufacturers into the 2007 Farm Bill."

But I'm not going to. I just got back from a dental appointment which involved plenty of drilling and whatnot. Frankly, I don't have the energy to look at any serious issues today. If anyone would like to take a closer look at what Walberg's claiming, please feel free.

I could share the editorial from the Battle Creek Enquirer that was mentioned in a comment on the MDP post, in which Walberg is harshly criticized for trying to mislead his constituents. But I don't have any analysis to add to it, so I'll just let all of you go read it for yourselves. It's a well-written editorial.

And I could share James Carr's letter to the editor in the Daily Telegram explaining why he wants to recall Congressman Walberg. But the last time I checked, it wasn't available online yet, so it'll have to wait until tomorrow.

Instead, I'm going to follow some other advice from the comments:
Fitzy, maybe this might be good fodder for a Friday post, get everyone's emotions cooled off about our race and just look at something a bit different, but still with an impact on Walberg.

This blogger, Joe Sylvester has been a hard-line, ultra-conservative supporter of Tim Walberg and relished in the defeat of Joe Schwarz. He runs a blog which is very popular with the youth movement in the republican party, evident by all the posts on his site.

The interesting thing is the level of maturity, and total lack of respect he and his posters regularly have on issues. Anyway, remember Walberg's buddy on the immigration bill, Rep. Ellison from Minnessota? Check out the nasty slurs they use against him here:

This is the face of the GOP and I'd like to slap the smirk off their faces, ASAP (or Nov. 2008.)
For those that don't recall, Congressman Walberg worked with Democratic Congressmen Patrick Kennedy and Keith Ellison on an immigration bill to help Liberian refugees. It actually was some good work on the part of Walberg. Ellison, for those that might be curious, is also the very first Muslim ever elected to Congress. It shouldn't matter, but it does to some people.

So I took a look at the link the anonymous commenter provided. It's a post about a meeting that has conservatives and the conservative media across the country upset (here, for example). At the meeting, Ellison compared the loss of civil liberties and the growth of religious intolerance after September 11, 2001 to the days following the Reichstag fire of Nazi Germany.

It wasn't the best comparison to make, politically speaking. But making matters worse, it inspired plenty of people to shout, "A Muslim just said Bush was Hitler!" That's a level of political discussion that makes things worse for everyone.

Which brings us back to the link the anonymous commenter shared. It's a website called the Michigan Conservative Dossier, and here's how the editor reacted:
Congressman Ellison,

I write to you today in response to recent headlines in which you implied that the President had something to do with the World Trade Center disaster.

Maybe the point you were making is the President gained power from the WTC attack...which is not what I dispute. My problem is that you compared it to the Reichstag fire which was organized by the National Socialists and blamed on the Communists to gain power.

Your comments were idiotic and unbecoming of a member of Congress and you should be ashamed.

In case you are in fact ignorant of the facts about the Reichstag fire, I have included a link so you don't make the same mistake again.


Joe Sylvester

PS: Allah is not God!
It's that last postscript that really gets me. When did Ellison's religious beliefs come in?

But doing some more looking, I found that this sort of hateful far-right rhetoric is common on the blog. Some samples:


Posted by Anonymous | 3:24 PM


Posted by Anonymous | 1:19 PM
In case you were wondering, I think the capital letters mean they're passionate in their beliefs. Or maybe they're keyboards are broken.

I don't know about you, but I find all of that pretty offensive. I mean, I run a blog too, and sometimes I get a little angry, and sometimes commenters get a little angry. But so far, we've all manage to avoid death threats and advocating genocide.

This kind of hatred disgusts me and saddens me. Something must be wrong with our society if there are people that angry. It makes you wonder what kind of politician these people would support.

But wait! What's that I see off to the side?

Yes, it's a banner for Tim Walberg for Congress!

Now, I'm not saying Tim Walberg is this hateful. Far from it. And I'm not saying that all conservatives are hateful. And I'm not saying that all conservative supporters of Tim Walberg are this hateful.

But this is a small sample of the folks that support Tim Walberg. It makes me glad that I'm a Democrat.

I'm going to go relax for a while. Since it's a Friday, I recommend you do so as well.

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I didn't even see the Walberg banner ad on the site when I sent the link. I just check it from time to time to see if there is any more anti-Schwarz hatred. The guy who runs the blog can be very juvenile, but the "comment community" he has attracted are seriously deranged. Some of the young republicans post embarassing pictures of eachother and get down-right nasty in how they address eachother. It is no wonder Walberg is so popular with them.
Thanks for publicizing my blog. Although, I am disappointed that it only drew 2 hits so far.

I think it's funny how you draw attention to me attacking Ellison, but not a word about his comments which recently were all over the news. (Bush planned 9/11 to gain power)

Give me a break.
No problem, Joe. Even conservative blogs deserve a traffic boost from time to time. I'm just disappointed it wasn't bigger!

I didn't mention that Congressman Ellison said that "Bush planned 9/11 to gain power" because, well, he didn't. From the original Star-Tribute article:

On comparing Sept. 11 to the burning of the Reichstag building in Nazi Germany: "It's almost like the Reichstag fire, kind of reminds me of that. After the Reichstag was burned, they blamed the Communists for it and it put the leader of that country [Hitler] in a position where he could basically have authority to do whatever he wanted. The fact is that I'm not saying [Sept. 11] was a [U.S.] plan, or anything like that because, you know, that's how they put you in the nut-ball box -- dismiss you."

(Emphasis added.)

He specifically said that he wasn't meaning that Bush planned anything. Rather, he was noting the erosion of liberties and tolerance that followed two events.

It was a poor comparison, I think, only because the congressman should have known the kind of impression it would leave people with. But I don't believe he meant it as you characterized it.

The broader point of my post still stands, however: there are a lot of folks that visit your blog who harbor some terrible, troubling beliefs. I'm fine with conservative politics, though I'll oppose those positions politically. My issue is with hate, threats, and intolerance.

Per usual, "they" got it wrong again. If all a person listens to is Rush,
Sean and FauxNews, it's no wonder that facts are troubling little trifles.
The apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

Of course no one is going to go to your blog after being forewarned it was all hate and mis-characterization.

Whatever happened to the Republican Party that made them walk away from the ideals of Superman: "Truth, Justice and the American Way?"
What you have highlighted in bold was his insurance policy. We still got the message though. He didn't fool us.
What he did was said something dumb and then pointed out that people were going to call him on it.
That doesn't mean that it doesn't mean exactly what it says.

People read my blog...a lot of them.
That son of a bitch is already in the nut ball box he belongs in. Too late!
I'm kind of curious if you all pay as much attention to the hateful things spewed daily on Kos's website, or the Democratic Undergrounds website, and attribute them to the mainstream attitude of all Democratic supporters?
"Anonymous said...
I'm kind of curious if you all pay as much attention to the hateful things spewed daily on Kos's website, or the Democratic Undergrounds website, and attribute them to the mainstream attitude of all Democratic supporters?

August 2, 2007 4:48 PM"

I never said this is main stream GOP. All I ever pointed out was the link between this blog and TIM WALBERG. Fitzy did a little more digging and realized Walberg actually has a banner ad on this sick website.

Walberg's association with this website, and this kind of backwoods, bigoted thinking is more of an indication of his support and his supporters than it is any proof of him being mainstream.
And, once again, this Joe Sylvester guy gives us some insight into what Tim Walberg supporters think (and, by association what Tim Walberg supports with a campaign banner on the site.)

More hate, this time attacking some of his readers who argue for a less aggressive military policy:

"To the anti war people: You make a lot of good points...but the undertones of anti Americanism and disloyalty is disgusting.

One of you said the rest of the world doesn't like fucking hoo. They can rot in their mediocrity.

You compare this administration to brutal world dictators. Please cite for me documented and repeated abuse. If you think Abu Ghraib was torture, you should read about the tortures done in China.

You claim to be so smart and make better arguments. Thinking that everyone will leave us alone if we leave them alone is to totally and completely deny human nature. This argument is not specific to the war in Iraq...but the general argument that if we leave people alone, they will leave us alone.

Let's be honest here...the truth is that you don't think American is better than any other country which is why you make the arguments you do.

Fuck the pussycons...Long live the USofA

(Neocons are wrong too)

Posted by Joe Sylvester | 5:52 PM "
hey idiot...the person I was responding to say "The Jews and Amerika get what they deserve."

I wonder if you agree with that too?
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